SPOILER ALERT: read on only if you have already seen the episode "The Obliged" on Sunday The Walking Dead.
Is this the end of Rick Grimes? Surely it appeared that way at the conclusion of the episode of "The Obliged" on Sunday The Walking Dead. Rick was thrown from his horse and ended up with a giant metal spike through it as two herds of zombies approached from opposite sides. So, is this the end for our steely hero? We asked the showrunner Angela Kang exactly that, and you may be surprised by her response.
Keep reading to see what he had to say about the whole situation, as well as everything that happened this week, including Negan's attempts to recover Lucille, where Anne / Jadis has just taken off, and the battle on the bridge. Kang also throws a fascinating fact behind the scenes of last season that led directly to the great scene of Rick and Daryl that we saw here. Continue for Intel!
WEEKLY ENTERTAINMENT: Let's start with what for me was the most powerful scene of the episode: this battle of words and fists between Rick and Daryl. Maggie goes to Alexandria to kill Negan and Daryl prevents Rick from stopping her. They push and they end up in a big hole and then they have this great debate about Rick keeping Negan alive. Tell me the genesis of this scene and how you wanted to approach it.
ANGELA KANG: At the end of the season last year, there was a scene in which Rick forgave Negan under the tree and relied on a truly iconic moment in the comic. What was really interesting was the day that scene was made, Norman, who plays Daryl, was watching, and was watching Lauren Cohan playing Maggie screaming and wanting to go after Negan and arrested and detained by Michonne. You can really see in his performance how disturbed the character was when he saw this. We were like, that's great. He really plays in this other scene.
At the last minute, we added it to the scene where Maggie says she does not disagree with what Rick does. That came out a lot from Norman's performance at the time. He felt good, that he was disturbed, because Maggie is also her friend. Rick is his brother, but Maggie is someone who cares a lot, who seems to have a debt.
It's fascinating that you've added him to that scene because of Norman's performance in another.
That was just one of the things we always knew this season that we had to pay, this loyalty, this promise that made Maggie to help her. But also. he loves rick This is his true brother in the apocalypse. We wanted to explore the complicated relationships that people can have when they care so much about each other and how they can tell each other the truth in a way that people who care less can not.
In general, you see Daryl as a true blue, loyal and skilled, and we thought it was really interesting to show him that he is a bit subversive and deceptive. When that hits, they eventually reach a point of words. I think so, sometimes Daryl is a man of few words, but once again, with the people he trusts, he is not afraid to express an opinion. It was really a rewarding scene for us to work on.
Then, Andy and Norman, went to the city, just rehearsing and rehearsing and rehearsing this scene. We also had conversations. My great writer, Geraldine Inoa, this is her first television episode and I think she did an amazing job for us. She had conversations with them and we made some small adjustments in the scene to deepen further. I think one of the important things was the idea that Daryl may be the only one to tell Rick: "Hey, you have to let this thing you have to do have to do with Carl, go away."
That came out of the conversation with Norman and Andy. It just really felt true that Rick is chasing something and he needs someone to say, "But look at the consequences it has for everyone you love around you, is this really what needs to be done? Ghost? Are you chasing something that can not be achieved? Look at the reality. "We love the idea of that on the scene, I love what the actors did with that, they did an amazing job.
The most powerful moment in that scene for me is when Daryl mentions Glenn and says, "Man, your ass would not even be alive if it was not for Glenn." You would not have found Lori. "You would not have found Carl." He did that. Or did you forget? "That has a lot of power not only for the characters, but also for the viewers when you mention a name like Glenn, is not it?
Yes I think so. I really feel that these characters who have died live inside the heads of these characters. They live in their hearts and that drives a large part of their decisions. Sometimes we have not spoken explicitly that way, but we talk about it in the [writers room]. My mother died when I was a teenager and I still think about her every day and I still talk a lot about her. I feel that this is something very true in life when people have lost people that are so important to them. It becomes part of the conversation. It becomes a part of the way you consider the decisions you make and the person you want to be, and how you deal with things like the desires you had in the face of how you try to get through your everyday life.
For Daryl, he's thinking about Glenn's effect because I think that after Glenn died, he really felt guilty. I felt it was his fault. He said so much to Maggie. She shows him grace because really, how can you see the actions of someone like Negan and blame someone? Everyone was a victim. I think it is really emotionally processing what it means in real terms that these people are gone. That's why you're invoking these names from the past and the effect they've had and the reasons why it's so painful for Maggie, because I think Rick made a decision that could have been good in a theoretical way and yet, There are real people like Maggie who are suffering for that. That's what Daryl is trying to tell him.
Let's go to the great meeting of Michonne and Negan. Why, from the perspective of history, to make her the next person to go there and talk to him in his cell?
We just thought it was really interesting, the idea that Michonne and Negan had to be face to face because, I think, there is an aspect in Michonne where she has gone to dark places before. She has also risen to a position of more leadership.
One of the stories in the comic is that Negan develops a really interesting relationship with Rick over time and ends up giving him advice in very strange ways, but it's always a strange and controversial relationship at times. We thought it would be very interesting to put Michonne in a position like that in which this guy is who she simply hates and wanted to kill, but in the end was very on board to stay alive due to Carl's wishes. And yet, she also struggles with that decision. That seemed interesting, complicated.
We also liked the idea that for Michonne, going there and talking to him scratches her intellectual itching. Part of the story we told in this episode is that Michonne has two lives in progress. One is dealing with Alexandria's bureaucracy and sometimes that can be boring. It's an important job, and yet she keeps coming out and killing zombies. We are really interested in the stories of what happens to soldiers after a war. There is this trauma that they carry. Also, sometimes there is a need that they can not satisfy and they do not know why. It seemed that Negan was the perfect way to explore all these new things, but it also gave Negan someone new to bounce. He really has not had this kind of interaction with Michonne in the past, so he also has a different side of Negan, which we really liked. (The story continues on the next page)